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▫ Nov 30 2007, 21:43 Post #141
QUOTE(bondiguy)
I couldnt agree more brother


I was just saying the other day that one of the main reasons (one of many) that I most likely will never shoot someone is that I do not have a gun
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▫ Nov 30 2007, 22:06 Post #142
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▫ Dec 1 2007, 00:55 Post #143
QUOTE(DoubleJ)
I was just saying the other day that one of the main reasons (one of many) that I most likely will never shoot someone is that I do not have a gun


LOL same here!
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▫ Dec 1 2007, 01:03 Post #144
QUOTE(evade20)
Did somebody say ...


I deleted that mother fucking shit
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▫ Dec 1 2007, 03:57 Post #145
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▫ Dec 2 2007, 17:54 Post #146
aurguing gun laws is a no win situation , the problem is no matter how strict they get the crooks , killers , robbers will still have guns or will get guns through the black market , just like they did with alcohol during the prohibition during the depression , if a pesron wants soemthing bad enough they wil find a way to get it .. I hope they do strngthen the laws were the god fearing honest people of this country dont have to worry about those that are not god fearing cant infringe on our rights but I really dont think its going to happen during this campaighn or any other in the next 20 yrs .. Thus I will keep my gun safe and be prepared to protect my family from any intruder that comes my way weather it be a Mountain lion , a Wolf , a cougar , or a drug induced wacko trying to break into my home to get some cash to support his habit . not auguing anyones views just speaking how I see it first hand . there are for sure other countrys that have better control on these things its just it seems this country is not ready to move to that level yet . :)
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▫ Dec 10 2007, 04:52 Post #147
QUOTE(SKULLZ0MBIE)
Ron Paul in the US House of Representatives, January 9, 2003

Mr. Speaker, I rise to restore the right the founding fathers saw as the guarantee of every other right by introducing the Second Amendment Protection Act. This legislation reverses the steady erosion of the right to keep and bear arms by repealing unconstitutional laws that allow power-hungry federal bureaucrats to restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

Specifically, my legislation repeals the five-day waiting period and the "instant" background check, which enables the federal government to compile a database of every gun owner in America. My legislation also repeals the misnamed ban on "semi-automatic" weapons, which bans entire class of firearms for no conceivable reason beside the desire of demagogic politicians to appear tough on crime. Finally, my bill amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 by deleting the "sporting purposes" test, which allows the Treasury Secretary to infringe on second amendment rights by classifying a firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun) as a "destructive device" simply because the Secretary believes the gun to be "non-sporting."

Thomas Jefferson said "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; ...that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." Jefferson, and all of the Founders, would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents law-abiding Americans from exercising their right and duty to keep and bear arms. I hope my colleagues will join me in upholding the Founders' vision for a free society by cosponsoring the Second Amendment Restoration Act.

ron paul for president 2008  :thumbup:


At first I thought about debating your will to carry arms and have guns so easily accessible but then I thought, fuck it!

If Zombie wants to look over his shoulder everytime his kids go to school, he goes to church, or a mall, or just about any other public place in his fine country then so be it. That is the price he will pay for putting his support in the whole "right to bear arms" policy.

The USA should probably spend more time looking at gun related deaths INSIDE it's own country by ITS OWN PEOPLE rather than the external threat of terrorism.

Barely a week goes by where another mass shooting isn't world wide news. It doesn't paint a good image of your nation to the world.

To ward off any comebacks; I know Australia has gun crime and gun related deaths but in comparison it is miniscule. You will never rid guns or gun related crime from society completely but to give access to any nutjob who wants to go out in "infamy" is plain absurd
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▫ Dec 10 2007, 05:06 Post #148
QUOTE(bondiguy)
At first I thought about debating your will to carry arms and have guns so easily accessible but then I thought, fuck it!

If Zombie wants to look over his shoulder everytime his kids go to school, he goes to church, or a mall, or just about any other public place in his fine country then so be it. That is the price he will pay for putting his support in the whole "right to bear arms" policy.

The USA should probably spend more time looking at gun related deaths INSIDE it's own country by ITS OWN PEOPLE rather than the external threat of terrorism.

Barely a week goes by where another mass shooting isn't world wide news. It doesn't paint a good image of your nation to the world.

To ward off any comebacks; I know Australia has gun crime and gun related deaths but in comparison it is miniscule. You will never rid guns or gun related crime from society completely but to give access to any nutjob who wants to go out in "infamy" is plain absurd

If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns..........
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▫ Dec 10 2007, 07:46 Post #149
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▫ Dec 11 2007, 04:45 Post #150
QUOTE(LDrider)
If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns..........


Mate like I said, nothing will completely stop the availability of guns anywhere in the world but surely you must agree these mass shootings would occur less frequently if gun laws were tightened? These people that carry out these shootings aren't typical criminals. They usually have no prior convictions and get the guns through legal avenues.

Personally, I don't give a fuck because I don't live in the USA. If I did though, I would hate to visit a church, school, college, shopping mall etc

This is the problem, it has been built into your psyche that it is your right to own a gun and that will somehow protect you? If a mad man comes in to your church and starts wildly spraying bullets from his automatic weapon, if one of those bullets meets your skull that .45 in your holster isn't going to do shit
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▫ Dec 11 2007, 06:28 Post #151
QUOTE(bondiguy)
Mate like I said, nothing will completely stop the availability of guns anywhere in the world but surely you must agree these mass shootings would occur less frequently if gun laws were tightened? These people that carry out these shootings aren't typical criminals. They usually have no prior convictions and get the guns through legal avenues.

Personally, I don't give a fuck because I don't live in the USA. If I did though, I would hate to visit a church, school, college, shopping mall etc

This is the problem, it has been built into your psyche that it is your right to own a gun and that will somehow protect you? If a mad man comes in to your church and starts wildly spraying bullets from his automatic weapon, if one of those bullets meets your skull that .45 in your holster isn't going to do shit


So.. since I live where the church shootings happened and reading this... I thought I would have something to say, but I must be in a bad mood because all I can think of is what ass holes the people in Colorado Springs are. Honestly, they probably all carry guns down there anyways, and it didn't stop anyone. Anyways, bless everyone involved in all of this and let them find stength through the holidays.. I cant even imagine.

I really have to agree with Bondi. Have you looked at the gun laws in Japan?? Super, incredibly strict. Have you looked at their gun related crimes?? Almost nothing. I think it is really ignorant to try and argue that everyone should own a gun and I'm really sorry for the people that are that paranoid and convinced that they need a deadly weapon to protect themselves.
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▫ Dec 11 2007, 08:29 Post #152
QUOTE(baby21)
I really have to agree with Bondi.


I too agree with Bondi - I mean here in Australia a guy killed 35 people at Port Arthur and within a short time even semi-automatic weapons were banned. The US has a constitution right to bear arms... but until they ammend that right (as the reasoning has long since stopped being an issue) unfortunately, US citizens also have the right to die en masse.
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▫ Dec 11 2007, 17:04 Post #153
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▫ Dec 12 2007, 05:26 Post #154
QUOTE(baby21)
So.. since I live where the church shootings happened and reading this... I thought I would have something to say, but I must be in a bad mood because all I can think of is what ass holes the people in Colorado Springs are. Honestly, they probably all carry guns down there anyways, and it didn't stop anyone. Anyways, bless everyone involved in all of this and let them find stength through the holidays.. I cant even imagine.

I really have to agree with Bondi. Have you looked at the gun laws in Japan?? Super, incredibly strict. Have you looked at their gun related crimes?? Almost nothing. I think it is really ignorant to try and argue that everyone should own a gun and I'm really sorry for the people that are that paranoid and convinced that they need a deadly weapon to protect themselves.


Thanks Baby... I know this sounds very selfish but right now I am glad I live nowhere near where these things are happening and that I live in a country, whilst by no means perfect, a lot safer from mass shootings!

QUOTE(Ratt)
I too agree with Bondi - I mean here in Australia a guy killed 35 people at Port Arthur and within a short time even semi-automatic weapons were banned. The US has a constitution right to bear arms... but until they ammend that right (as the reasoning has long since stopped being an issue) unfortunately, US citizens also have the right to die en masse.


Yeah the Port Arthur massacre, what a sad day.

Almost immediately after we has a gun amnesty, no automatic weapons, no semi automatic weapons and very strict conditions on all other firearms. You basically had to live in rural Australia or be a certified shooter.

Sure there are people who still own guns and even semi automatic's but they are a lot harder to get on the black market than through legal avenues, and a lot more expensive. Meaning? The 15yr old twisted fuck of a kid who spends all his time in the basement cant just borrow daddy's and kill 20 of his class mates.

QUOTE(SKULLZ0MBIE)
Watch this movie!  :drama:


Mate you miss the point as usual. Which is why I said I wouldn't debate you, just state my opinion.

You live in a world of your own propaganda
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▫ Dec 12 2007, 07:23 Post #155
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▫ Dec 12 2007, 20:38 Post #156
Something I saw on another website: Australians are learning the lessons of indiscriminate, draconian gun control laws the hard way. In 1996, a criminally insane man shot to death 35 people at a Tasmanian resort. The government immediately responded by passing stringent gun control laws, banning most firearms, and ordering their confiscation. More than 640,000 guns were seized from ordinary Australian citizens.(10)

As a result, there has been a sharp and dramatic increase in violent crime against the disarmed law-abiding citizens, who in small communities and particularly in rural areas are now unable to protect themselves from brigands and robbers. That same year in the state of Victoria, there was a 300 percent increase in homicides committed with firearms. The following year, robberies increased almost 60 percent in South Australia. By 1999, assaults had increased in New South Wales by almost 20 percent. Two years following the gun ban/confiscation, armed robberies rose by 73 percent, unarmed robberies by 28 percent, kidnappings by 38 percent, assaults by 17 percent and manslaughter by 29 percent, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
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▫ Dec 12 2007, 22:05 Post #157
I am all in favor of the right to own firearms, I believe if someone is going to harm someone they will find a way. It gives me a little sense of security knowing that I am able to protect myself and family if the need arises.( if I am able )

There are I believe alot more deaths caused by other means than firearms in this world

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071208…

This fellow apparantly had 3 previuos drunk driving convictions before this terrible crash...should we ban alcohol ( god I hope not )....it is a terrible thing to have happened and my thoughts go out to the people involved in these tragidies

people kill people one way or another
:unsure:
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▫ Dec 13 2007, 03:52 Post #158
QUOTE(closeup)
Something I saw on another website:                                                    Australians are learning the lessons of indiscriminate, draconian gun control laws the hard way. In 1996, a criminally insane man shot to death 35 people at a Tasmanian resort. The government immediately responded by passing stringent gun control laws, banning most firearms, and ordering their confiscation. More than 640,000 guns were seized from ordinary Australian citizens.(10)

As a result, there has been a sharp and dramatic increase in violent crime against the disarmed law-abiding citizens, who in small communities and particularly in rural areas are now unable to protect themselves from brigands and robbers. That same year in the state of Victoria, there was a 300 percent increase in homicides committed with firearms. The following year, robberies increased almost 60 percent in South Australia. By 1999, assaults had increased in New South Wales by almost 20 percent. Two years following the gun ban/confiscation, armed robberies rose by 73 percent, unarmed robberies by 28 percent, kidnappings by 38 percent, assaults by 17 percent and manslaughter by 29 percent, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.


Mate what I am talking about is Mass Shootings. There will always be homocides. ALWAYS!

Also, the whole "gun to protect yourself" is BS. I have lived in Sydney (Australia's largest and inherently most dangerous city" all of my 26 years and I have not been shot, not been stabbed, never even really been in a fight!
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▫ Dec 13 2007, 04:25 Post #159
QUOTE(bondiguy)
Mate what I am talking about is Mass Shootings. There will always be homocides. ALWAYS!

Also, the whole "gun to protect yourself" is BS. I have lived in Sydney (Australia's largest and inherently most dangerous city" all of my 26 years and I have not been shot, not been stabbed, never even really been in a fight!

Doesn't 35 people killed at that resort constitute a mass killing?
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▫ Dec 13 2007, 04:52 Post #160
QUOTE(closeup)
Something I saw on another website:                                                    Australians are learning the lessons of indiscriminate, draconian gun control laws the hard way. In 1996, a criminally insane man shot to death 35 people at a Tasmanian resort. The government immediately responded by passing stringent gun control laws, banning most firearms, and ordering their confiscation. More than 640,000 guns were seized from ordinary Australian citizens.(10)

As a result, there has been a sharp and dramatic increase in violent crime against the disarmed law-abiding citizens, who in small communities and particularly in rural areas are now unable to protect themselves from brigands and robbers. That same year in the state of Victoria, there was a 300 percent increase in homicides committed with firearms. The following year, robberies increased almost 60 percent in South Australia. By 1999, assaults had increased in New South Wales by almost 20 percent. Two years following the gun ban/confiscation, armed robberies rose by 73 percent, unarmed robberies by 28 percent, kidnappings by 38 percent, assaults by 17 percent and manslaughter by 29 percent, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.


I'm curious where you found this...

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