I have owned about 25 guns for the last 20 yrs and i have yet to see any of them sprout feet and go shoot anything by themselves , its the nut behind them that causes the damage , just like the nut behind the wheel that drives drunk or reckless , or the parent that doesnt place his child in a child safety seat for there own safety .. I do agree that state needs to update there back ground checks and such but the fact is the kid didnt have a record so he still would have got a gun he just would have had to wait a few days ... This is a aurgument that will never be won . Its just very sad that we have these kind of people in our society .
You don't know me, or maybe you just don't know that you do. I am your neighbor, doctor, clergyman, nurse or just another nameless, faceless stranger in the crowd. I have a state authorized, court issued permit to carry a concealed handgun. I do so whenever possible.
Though you don't know me, there are a few things you should know about me.
In my case, I was fingerprinted by the local police for an FBI criminal background check. Before that, I had to pass state and local background checks. I had to present evidence to the court of approved training in firearms laws, safety and marksmanship before my application would even be accepted.
I am not a felon, junkie, drug dealer, stalker or even a shoplifter since any number of indiscretions including alcohol or other drug abuse or even simple assault or a restraining order would disqualify me from holding a permit.
My classroom training covered when it is appropriate and legal to even indicate that I have a gun, much less display it or actually use deadly force.
Doing so in any circumstance, under which I am not in immediate fear for my life or the life of another, would mean more than the loss of my permit. Most likely, I would also be charged with brandishing a weapon, disorderly conduct and/or assault.
If it was determined that my use of deadly force was not to protect a life in immediate danger, I would probably be charged with second-degree murder or first-degree manslaughter. On top of these, I would also face civil liability.
Like most people who legally carry concealed handguns, I practice regularly at a range. I am well aware of the laws and regulations affecting me. My fellow permit holders and I are generally more well trained and practiced than many law enforcement officers.
I am not a non-resident alien. I am a good citizen, and I vote.
I am aware of the responsibility I bear, and I will walk or run away rather than risk confrontation. I will retreat as fast and as far as possible. I always avoid conflict. I know that should a situation escalate, I could be identified as the instigator and face losing my right to carry, or worse.
Should the need arise, however, I will act swiftly, intelligently and decisively to protect my life and the lives of those around me
Are you still afraid of me?
In my home state of Virginia, not one permit holder has been convicted of a violent gun crime despite more than 110,000 issued permits. Throughout the entire United States, no police officer has been injured by a person with a legal handgun. A number have, however, been assisted and even rescued by armed, law abiding citizens.
You should feel a degree of comfort knowing that there may be someone nearby with means, motive and training to possibly save your life, or that of those around you.
Criminals, on the other hand, should feel fear. They never know if their next intended victim may armed, trained, and ready to effectively defend themselves.
If you feel safer patronizing establishments with a NO GUNS ALLOWED policy, please keep in mind that the criminals don't obey the signs or the laws. That is why we call them criminals.
Criminals know that the law-abiding customers of that establishment are easy prey, and will have little to no fear of the consequences of their actions. The hallways and parking lots of these establishments might just as well post a sign saying...
ehhh I don't want to get into politics or anything, but I think it was kinda generalized and quick to assume that by talking about gun control we were saying that there shouldn't be guns at all.
I'm glad that they make things so strict for people to get guns... seems like the only way you'd go through with that is if you were legit. Do I think it stops everyone? No. Do I think it helps? Yes.
I think it's sad that people are going to use this to push their own political agendas on either side.
Ps:
"Guns dont kill people, people kill people"
What about those stories you hear about kids showing their parents guns to friends, or playing with it themselves and getting killed? ... Just curious
I DONT KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE FROM THE WEST COAST AND HEARD ABOUT THIS OR NOT
BUT ABOUT 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO IN SPRINGFIELD OREGON AT THURSTON HIGH SCHOOL KIP KINKLE WENT ON A SHOOTING SPREE AT THE HIGHSCHOOL ON GRADUATION CELIBRATION DAY IN THE CAFETERIA HE SHOT AND KILLED 3 SENIORS 2 WEEKS BEFORE GRADUATION.
THE NIGHT BEFORE HE SHOT HIS PARENTS KILLED HIS PARENTS
KIP KINKLE WAS MY SPANISH TEACHERS SON
KIP WAS ALWAYS A BRAT AS I REMEMBER HIM...KIPS SISTER WAS A FRIEND OF MINE AND WE WERE IN THE SKI CLUB TOGETHER. I KNEW THE FAMILY WELL FOR MR KINKLE HELPED MY SKI ADVISOR WITH THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES FROM TIME TO TIME.
I WOULD HAVE NEVER SUSPECTED THAT KIP WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO DO SUCH A TERRIBLE THING
BUT I GUESS HE WENT TO SCHOOL WITH A GUN AND GOT CAUGHT THE DAY BEFORE THE SHOOTING AT THE SCHOOL, AND WAS KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL FOR IT.
HE WENT HOME AND I GUESS THE SCHOOL NEVER REACHED HIS PARENTS BECAUSE KIP WENT HOME "HIS DAD WAS RETIRED" THEY MUST HAVE GOT INTO A FIGHT AND KIP SHOT AND KILLED HIS DAD AND HE DIDNT WANT TO TELL HIS MOM ABOUT KILLING HIS DAD SO HE WAITED FOR HIS MOM TO GET HOME AND HE SHOT AND KILLED HER THEN THE NEXT DAY HE WENT TO THE SCHOOL AND DID THE SHOOTING THERE DID....THING IS HE DIDNT TURN THE GUN ON HIM "YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE".
ANYONE CAN SNAP I GUESS BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO A NORMAL KID WITH EDUCATED NORMAL PARENTS.
NOBODY HEARD THE SHOTS THE NIGHT BEFORE BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY LIVED IN THE COUNTRY, AND PRACTICALLY EVERYONE HAS A GUN WHOLIVES IN OREGON.
IT WAS SAD TO SEE MR GUTTORMSEN MY SKI ADVISOR AND TEACHER ON THE TV TALKING ABOUT MR KINKLE WHO WAS MY OTHER OUTDOOR ADVISOR AND SPANISH TEACHER AND TRYING TO MAKE SINCE OF THIS TERRIBLE THING, BUT THERE WAS NO WAY TO MAKE ANY SINCE OF THAT OR WITH THIS SHOOTING AT V-TECH OR COLUMBINE.
MY SCHOOL WAS OPEN CAMPUS AND WAS THE SAFEST PLACE AND IT HAPPENED THERE
THE SCHOOLS TO NOT GO TO WERE EAST EUGENE AND SPRINGFIELD HIGH, NOT THURSTON HIGH SCHOOL.... IT WAS FULL OF COUNTRY KIDS
IT WAS A PERTY BIG SCHOOL WE GRADUATED 250 IN MY CLASS WHEN I GRADUATED BUT IT WAS A GREAT SCHOOL AND IF THIS CAN HAPPEN THERE AT THURSTON IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE
MY SCHOOL WAS OPEN CAMPUS AND AWAS THE SAFEST PLACE AND IT HAPPENED THERE
Yeah.. I went to High School at I believe the biggest High School in Colorado, we'd have some scares but things were always really safe. I guess you take that for granite
I'm in college and this all seems so far away I just can't ever see anything like that happening
GIRL I GRADUATED IN 1984 WHAT R U TALKING ABOUT A LONG TIME AGO YOUR IN COLLEGE NOW...LOL
IVE GOT A DAUGHTER IN COLLEGE!!!!!
AT THE TIME OF THE SHOOTING AT MY OLD SCHOOL MY OLDEST DAUGHTER WAS A FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL AND MY EX HUSBAND AND I KNEW BOTH TEACHERS AND BOTH GRADUATED THURSTON HIGH AND WE BOTH WERE SHOCKED IT HAPPENED THERE.
BUT LIKE I SAID IF IT CAN HAPEN THERE IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE
Sad just isnt the word for this tragedy!!, They were scrabbling around trying to find out who shot the girl in the stair well thinking it was her boyfriend at his house searching....Meanwhile they get a call from the college saying someone is still shooting..
Im trying to understand why didnt they just search the campus..Wasting time wondering, 32 innocent ppl were killed in cold blood,They just need a better system so that no one will have to go through this again...
The guy was sick mentally and they knew he was yet they didnt have him removed from the school..they had records saying he was clinically depressed, he was stalking two other females and other things they had on him..Yet nothing was done...Its sad they had to wait until someone dies to check and do something about it.
I have owned about 25 guns for the last 20 yrs and i have yet to see any of them sprout feet and go shoot anything by themselves , its the nut behind them that causes the damage , just like the nut behind the wheel that drives drunk or reckless , or the parent that doesnt place his child in a child safety seat for there own safety .. I do agree that state needs to update there back ground checks and such but the fact is the kid didnt have a record so he still would have got a gun he just would have had to wait a few days ... This is a aurgument that will never be won . Its just very sad that we have these kind of people in our society .
In your case I can understand why you would own firearms, what with working on the land and I totaly understand where UncleBuck is coming from but WTF SkullZombie???
All I can ask is why do normal citizens need firearms? No one, and I repeat no one in Australia owns firearms like they do in the US and those that do for agricultural or hunting purposes must have them locked in a safe and no one, repeat no one can carry a handgun concealed or not anywhere!!!
Zombie says crazy people are crazy with or without guns but without a gun this crazy nut would not have been able to kill 33 people. Yes, he may arm himself with a knife or another weapon but killing 33 people with a gun is a lot easier than with a knife!
All I can ask is why do normal citizens need firearms? Freedom, that why! Arms Citizens are not Slaves!
Sound like Australia like to be Rule by England, so your not free, and until then I guess you can find Happiness in Slavery song by Nine Inch Nails!
Sorry if I sound like a Dick, But I enjoy my Freedoms... I just don't want America to become New Germany rule by Nazi with deaths to millions by Gun control !
Australia is probably the most free country in the world.
I have never fired a gun, let alone owned one. Having said that, I can walk down the street with freedom and in safety. I can say what I want where I want without fear of consequences. I can question my government without fear of persecution. To say I am not free, and Australians are a slave to England is very short sighted indeed.
I still fail to see how America will become a Nazi state if gun control is bought in? I mean at the end of the day I couldn't give a fuck. I live in a country where anyone can get an education without having the fear of being killed by a lunatic! If you guys want to keep killing yourselves go fucking nuts! I know that the lager majority would want to see their young live long and not die in senseless tragedies!
Once again the states portrays the image to the rest of the world that the value their right to own and carry a gun more than they value the lives of innocent young citizens
I don't want to get into politics or anything, but I think it was kinda generalized and quick to assume that by talking about gun control we were saying that there shouldn't be guns at all.